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An Honest Pastor
 
For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.

2 Corinthians 13:8

Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2006 15:07:23 -0500
From:  "a pastor"
To: Tom Lamb <beyondcamp@clear.net.nz>
References: <radicalpilgrim@clear.net.nz>

Tom,
 
Thanks for the article and your willingness to share it with me. I also went to your website and read some of your other articles. I agree with your observations about the state of the modern institutionalized church. If you would be so kind as to indulge me for a moment, I'd like to make a few observations of my own about the "system" as you call it.
 
First, let me confess that I am a pastor (I pastor a Baptist church in the Midwestern region of the USA). Let me also say that I am not apposed to the idea of church. It is the body of Christ and the bride of Christ. He loved her and shed His blood for her. I especially love the people God has entrusted to my care; they are wonderful; I have no gripes with them personally. What I am frustrated with is what the church has become. It has gone from being a vibrant, home-based, interpersonal, life-giving body (New Testament church), to an exhausting, often lifeless, institution-based, impersonal organization (today).
 
I am not saying that nothing worthwhile ever happens in local churches; that would be an inaccurate statement. I have been blessed in many ways over the years through local church involvement. I just have many questions and frustrations about the way church is done, especially here in America today. I detect from your articles that organized churches in your country suffer from similar maladies. Anyway, here are the gut-level honest frustrations of an institutional insider: (note: from here on I will refer to the church as the "institution')
I could go on, but I will spare you. All I'm saying is, I wholeheartedly agree that the modern institutionalized, westernized, monolithic, materialistic, consumeristic church has evolved into something that is incapable of being what Jesus called His body to be. And frankly, I don't see the situation changing. I have recently had a rather sinister thought, however. Intolerance for Christians is increasing at a rapid pace in the USA as American culture has succumb to postmodernism (this represents persecution from within). Radical Islam is trying with all its might to take over the world. These nut cases want to kill everyone on the planet who does not embrace Islam, especially Jews and Christians. They have now declared Jihad against the "West" on every continent on earth (this represents persecution from without). If the persecution against Christians in America got severe enough at some time in the future, might this force the church back into a 1st century kind of situation? Would we have to abandon our buildings and structures and go underground, meeting once again in homes? I pray fervently that it doesn't come to this...
 
Please don't interpret my words as those of an angry, embittered pastor. As I said, I love the church (Jesus loved the church and it seems to me that if I love Him I will love what He loves). I don't mean to insult His bride. I just think we could do church a better way. >From reading your articles it sounds like you guys have discovered one way to do it better. Thank you for your time.
 
Blessings!
 
A Radical Pilgrim wannabe

The Honest Paster being not so honest:
(Oh dear!  It happens!)

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Subject: Re: "Coming out of Babylon" (title renamed to make it relevant to what is below)
Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2006 10:37:24 +1200
From: Tom Lamb <beyondcamp@clear.net.nz>
Organization: http://beyondcamp.net
To: "the honest pastor" (name withheld for confidentiality reasons)



"The honest pastor" wrote:
Tom,
 
Blessings to you! Thank you so much for passing these responses on to me. I will read each one prayerfully and carefully.
 
I had an interesting conversation after services on Sunday with a lady in my congregation who came out of a house church in southern California. She is very frustrated with the the institutional church because it lacks many of the characteristics she enjoyed in her house church (freedom, simplicity, authenticity, intimacy, warmth, accountability, fellowship, etc...) She told me that she has wanted to leave our church on several occasions but every time she prays about it God tells her to stay and wait. She really believes God is going to radically transform our congregation, moving it away from the institutional model to something more free and alive.
Sorry Bro, despite your friends convictions, you know and I know, God cannot and wont do this (2 Cor. 13:8).
She sees herself as a missionary of sorts sent to help us trade our old wine skins in for some new ones. I don't know what that would look like exactly, but I'm certainly open to whatever God wants to do. Anyway, I shared with her that I had begun a dialog with you, and encouraged her to visit your website. By the way, she's not the only one in our congregation who is fed up with the "institution." I've talked with my key leadership people and they are all fed up. We're on the same page, we just don't know how to proceed from here.
 
Thanks for your time!
Brother, maybe this sister is a Rechabite in the spiritual sense, and has entered the city to lead you out.  Or maybe she is sent in to make you feel comfortable and at ease saying the old counterfeit is better than the new.  Remember, what God does to cities after He leads His remnant out.  He even destroyed Jerusalem after the Christians fled for their lives (heeding Jesus' warning) in the first century.  Yes, old wines skins are only to be discarded (reserved for the fire in other words) and cannot be patched up or renewed in any way.

It's your choice at the end of the day Brother of whether you want to keep dissecting the truth, analysing it, talking about, scrutinizing it, pampering it ...  or just obey it.
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Daring to go beyond the camp ...


Tom.

  May '98.  Updated last 24/7/06 NZ. 

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