Sheller Steering  Wheel Thread Off The G

·          Hey Guys on the G –As it is a wet Sunday afternoon here in NZ, I have been able to spend the time (without grief from the light of my darkness) carrying out further research on this wonderful resource of the “G”. I was reading a very informative article on a fellow ”G” members website about the Sheller Steering wheel.
A question - is there a definitive date as to when MB’s went from the Black to the Green “Sheller” steering wheel? My November 42 MB has a black “Sheller” that I think is a version 5. But after reading Thomas great article on his site (http://thomas.tcjnet.com/mbgpw.htm) I have ended up just as confused as ever.

I look forward to the thoughts from the group

Cheers

  •   Just to add to your confusion Bleskop...my 42MB Dod 31/03/42 has a GREEN Sheller
    5 steering wheel which i always assumed to have been there forever....another close serial number MB 132001 49 earlier than mine also has a green Sheller 5 on it and it has been proven that both our Jeeps were on the production line on the same day.


    This gave substance to the fact that Green Shellers were fitted just post Slat grills as they have Black Sheller steering wheels...

    But it appears that green Shellers were not correct for our MBs and that they should have Black steering wheels so i also am confused as ever.

    The more experienced G members who have access to more detailed data should be able to help us here as i too would like the definitive answer.

    Regards

    Lloyd

    ·          I'm just quoting Nabholtz here and not drawing conclusions :-

    MB.
    Contract W-1 (Nov 41-Feb 42)
    Steering wheel: Early type A-535 (black)
    Contract W-2 (Feb 42-May 42)
    Steering wheel: Early, black plastic.
    Contract W-3 (May 42-Jan 43)
    Steering wheel changed to Olive Drab in Aug 1942 at vehicle number 170307
    Contract W-5 (Dec 43-Dec 44)
    Steering wheel: Std type with exposed metal spokes
    The change took place in Jan 1943 after vehicle #202023


    GPW.
    Contract F-1 (Jan 42-Apr 42)
    Steering wheel: Early type black.
    Contract F-2 (Apr 42-Nov 42)
    Steering wheel: Olive drab plastic
    Contract F-3 (Nov 42-Mar 43)
    Steering wheel: Std. type with exposed metal spokes


    Unless Nabholtz is wrong you should have a green steering wheel.

    Derek.

 

  • Quote: As it is a wet Sunday afternoon here in NZ
    Is that one dirty great big cloud enveloping the world? Very similar weather here. Just brought my Jeep back from a VERY wet show
    Quote: But after reading Thomas great article on his sit

Does anyone have a contact for Thomas? I'd like his opinions on a thread I started on French engines some while ago.

Cheers
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REG
South Wales
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GPW 7448I: DoD October 1942
Engine dated 1989??
Bantam trailer DOD: December 1944

·          It must be.. it's a rainy Sunday here in S. CarolinaUSA as well. I'm gonna go out later and mount the beater 42 on the lifts and prepare it for some much needed work.
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5th Rangers A Coy/ Lancaster, SC
82nd Abn Div Living History Detachment
505 A Company, 82nd Abn Div.
'42 GPW #52871
'42 GPW #34058
'49 WL Harley # 49G3157

  • Hi.
    Per my little writeup, I believe the follwoing:

    1941 - Black Thermoset, no holes on back
    Early 1942 - Possible use of black Tenite wheel with 5/16 plugs on back
    March 1942 - Change to green Tenite with 5/16 plugs on back
    Late 1942 - Possible change to green Tenite with 1/8 in holes on back
    Early 1943 - Change to green metal spoke wheel
    1946 - CJ2As with black Tenite with 1/8 in holes on back

    No new data recently.... perhaps one day I will write this up for Army Motors... but I still need a little more data... I still hope to find a black Tenite sheller with 5/16 plugs on the back...

    On French blocks, I said on my web page they were made in 1990, actually I think it was more like 1988 or so... All I know is that I saw a stack of them at GSAA in Paris around 1990, they were bare metal, clearly new, and made for the French army. I suspect GSAA was able to buy extra production or something... he was not giving them away as I recall... The ones on the picture on my web site I saw more recently in 2003 or so at SCMD Duval, and probably come from the French army as they completly phased out MB/GPW support.

    Thomas.
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    Thomas Jacobson
    MVPA 13070
    Northwest Wisconsin
    thomas@tcjnet.com
  • To quote Thomas.....

    March 1942 - Change to green Tenite with 5/16 plugs on back

    So a green Sheller could be acceptable on a March 42 Willys ?

    Oh and its raining here in Suffolk...

    Regards

    Lloyd
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    1942 Script Willys MB "CONNIE"
    Chassis # MB 132051
    1943 Willys MB-T (Pending)
    1944 Ford M-20 Armored Car "REBEL II"
    Serial #2507
    1944 M-10 Ammunition Trailer
    Serial #9099
    1944 GPW (On the way from Oz)
    Serial # GPW 205093
  • I am not sure it is clear when the change occurred... It was I suspect late March or April... I think a good date to use might be the end of slatgrill production, MB 125809... they made a lot of changes then. As I noted on my web page it is clear that green was in use by May, as the wheel in the Life Mag pictures is clearly green... and had to be taken in early June or May of 1942 based on features of the vehicle in the picture...

    Thomas.
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    Thomas Jacobson
    MVPA 13070
    Northwest Wisconsin
    thomas@tcjnet.com
  • Thanks guys, as usual the depth of knowledge on the “G’ just takes my breath away.
    Correct me if I am wrong but it would seem that the Black “Sheller 5” with or without holes in the rear of the boss could span a period of anything up to six mths – right?
    The Data plates on my MB are original as is the frame tag – which now raises another interesting point (maybe)! When were DODs given to these marvellous wee vehicles – when they were handed over in the US or on receipt at the destination country, in this case New Zealand. If it was in the US then the steering wheel appears to be wrong, if the latter it could take several months before it was delivered from the store in the destination country and within the time frame consistent with the Black no holes wheel.
    By the way the cloud is still here keeping the sun away but the hills and the bush look brand new!

    Reg - the link to Thomas’s site is http://thomas.tcjnet.com/mbgpw.htm
  • Hi Guys, here might be a definite answer?- Based between Lloyd and his buddies (brett nicholls) jeep and mine and a mates jeep.

    MB 131175, 26th March, 1942- Black Sheller.
    MB 130526 (i think), 25th March, 1942- Black Sheller.

    Could it be assumed that the change occured between the 26 March and the 31st March- being that mine/bretts has a black and Lloyds/others has a green? Sounds half decent t me!

    Assuming everything is original to the above vehicles, which i am sure it is, it occurred between MB 131175 (Black) and MB 132001 (green)?
    I seriously doubt the change occurred at the end of the slats- there are photo's of stamped grill script MB's with a black sheller- distinguishable by the difference in shade of the wheel when compared to the photo's of later solid green wheels.

    My 2 aussie cents.

    Ian.
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    Ian Fawbert.
    1942 Script MB S/N: 131175 (parts searching)
    1942 Script GPW S/N: 11730- Finished April 13th, 2006.
    1944 GPW. ACM 2 body S/N: 225290.
    1943 GMH #3 Australian "JEEP" Trailer. S/N: #211.
    1942/3 Ford F15A CMP (Blitz).
  • Hi again, just read the last part of the last post.
    DOD was stamped in the US- definitely! as to exactly when, i cannot remember- if i remember right, it was when the vehicle was accepted by the inspector- thus some vehicles have a later DOD than others deending on if they passed their inspection before rolling off the line.

    HOWEVER, assuming your jeep was shipped in its crate to NZ with a bunch of early jeeps with black wheels (as has happenned in australia), it could have been assembled with a black wheel from one of the earlier jeeps and it got your green wheel- rather a far story i know, but you never can be quite sure. Most likely scenario is it was swapped during service for some reason- steering rebuid etc!



    ian.
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    Ian Fawbert.
    1942 Script MB S/N: 131175 (parts searching)
    1942 Script GPW S/N: 11730- Finished April 13th, 2006.
    1944 GPW. ACM 2 body S/N: 225290.
    1943 GMH #3 Australian "JEEP" Trailer. S/N: #211.
    1942/3 Ford F15A CMP (Blitz).
  • I agree... it was not at the end of slats, sorry I said that. I think I recall seeing pictures of black wheels on post slat MBs too... so it must be late March or early April... time to look at more pictures....
    T.
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    MVPA 13070
    Northwest Wisconsin
    thomas@tcjnet.com

  • What about this Thomas?
    Quote:
           MB 131175, 26th March, 1942- Black Sheller.
    MB 130526 (i think), 25th March, 1942- Black Sheller.

    Could it be assumed that the change occured between the 26 March and the 31st March- being that mine/bretts has a black and Lloyds/others has a green? Sounds half decent t me!

    Assuming everything is original to the above vehicles, which i am sure it is, it occurred between MB 131175 (Black) and MB 132001 (green)?
    Ian.

    Ian Fawbert.
    1942 Script MB S/N: 131175 (parts searching)
    1942 Script GPW S/N: 11730- Finished April 13th, 2006.
    1944 GPW. ACM 2 body S/N: 225290.
    1943 GMH #3 Australian "JEEP" Trailer. S/N: #211.
    1942/3 Ford F15A CMP (Blitz).
  • Looks probable, but how to you "know". With all the speculation we need hard data... for me that has to be pictures or parts books... or strong proof that the part was never removed/changed.. But I agree... this would be the right time.

    T.
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    Thomas Jacobson
    MVPA 13070
    Northwest Wisconsin
    thomas@tcjnet.com

 

  • A-535 Black Sheller. Listed in TM-10-1206 Dec 1, 1941 ....listed in TM-10-1207 Feb 1, 1942 ....listed in TM-10-1513 May 15, 1942.

    A-6858 steel spoke. Listed in TM-10-1186 July 1, 1943.

    Oct. 49 ORD 9 lists both A-535 and A-6858. There doesn't appear to be a change in part No. from the Black Sheller to the Green Sheller.

    I agree with the change being end of March early April for black to green. Green to steel spoke is Jan 43.

    Don't know where Nabholtz gets Aug 42.....there are not enough black wheels around to have spanned that time frame and too many green ones around for the short time frame of Aug to Jan.
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    4-44 Gpw 190236
    3-42 Mb Slatgrill (sold off)
    3-43 Bantam T3 trailer
    Type 3a Aust. Ford trailer

  • Were sheller steering wheels used only on military Jeeps or were they also used on CJs? Thanks, Chuck

  • Black tenite Shellers were used on many later Jeeps... CJ-2a's had both the metal spoke wheel (made by Sheller) and the all tenite style like the early black one used on slatgrills. In fact, most slatgrill restorations use a CJ-2a tenite wheel as the actuall hard rubber Sheller wheel is very hard to find, and most are badly cracked (I have a NOS one, and even it has small cracks!)

    There are also later green shellers used on M38s that look very much like the early slatgrill wheel as well, except are dark green.
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    Thomas Jacobson
    MVPA 13070
    Northwest Wisconsin
    thomas@tcjnet.com

 

  • Hello Ian & Sean,

    Care needs to be used when taking original jeeps in Australia & New Zealand as gospel. A large number of jeeps supplied to these two countries were not NEW but reconditioned jeeps from military bases in the US.

    I have seen numerous jeeps with rebuild tags from companies in USA, and it would make sense to supply reconditioned jeeps to lend lease countries and supply your own forces with new from the factory.

    Photos of crated jeeps also need to be studied carefully as jeeps were used then re-crated for transport between different theatres of war.

    My 2 cents worth

    Whilst we are talking black sheller wheels, anyone got a good original one for my 41 slat??

    Regards
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    Michael Browne
    Australian Prototype Parts
    1941 Ford GP8616 & GP9864 restoring
    1941 Ford GP9955 off to Blighty to chase rabbits
    1941 Ford GP14511 real sad
    1941 Willys MB107??? restoring
    1944 Indian Chief 344 restoring
    1945 Studebaker US6x6

 

  • Hi Michael,

    While what you say is true (my GPW is an example as we discussed at corowa), i can tell you that at least one (mine) and most likely both MB's i mention were here from new. The time frames of arrival (when compared to DOD of the jeep) based on records in the AWM justify this.

    There are a large amounts of MB's in this same serial number range, alot of which still exist today, which arrived roughly around the same time- give or take a few months- late 42> early 43, so it is likely that Bretts jeep was in one of these lots also, though it cannot be known for sure until it is found in the books and an arrival month noted.

    As for crated/recrated, could it not be said that jeeps shown in original ford/willys crates with a USA number which fits to about the time period before the ship would have left US to come to australia then compared to the date when the photo was taken, be said to be new jeeps? (did i word that ok!??). I agree though, if this didnt roughly work out, a crate shown could have been reused or made up crates.

    Cheers and i hope you have a good weekend- weather up here loks to be great for working on jeeps!

    Ian.
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    Ian Fawbert.
    1942 Script MB S/N: 131175 (parts searching)
    1942 Script GPW S/N: 11730- Finished April 13th, 2006.
    1944 GPW. ACM 2 body S/N: 225290.
    1943 GMH #3 Australian "JEEP" Trailer. S/N: #211.
    1942/3 Ford F15A CMP (Blitz).

  • Hi Everyone,
    I have two jeeps from March 1942. The first is 3-25-42 Serial mb130568 it has a black Sheller steering wheel. The second is 3-27-42 and serial no.131594 with a green Sheller steering wheel.
    So as you can see the Jeeps are only 1026 apart and have changed. This is by no means proven evidence but food for thought.
    Michael i have a black Sheller that I'll swap for a GP..... OR I would consider swapping a project GPA....

    Regards,
    Brett Nicholls.
  • Brett or Michael...would rebuilt ex-US base Jeeps have also been sent to the UK in early 1942 like the ones to Austrailia or would they have mostly been factory fresh ones ?

    Regards

    Lloyd
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    1942 Script Willys MB "CONNIE"
    Chassis # MB 132051
    1943 Willys MB-T (Pending)
    1944 Ford M-20 Armored Car "REBEL II"
    Serial #2507
    1944 M-10 Ammunition Trailer
    Serial #9099
    1944 GPW (On the way from Oz)
    Serial # GPW 205093

 

  • Ok, Now I'm confused.

    Am I to have a Green Sheller wheel or an OD Metal Spoked wheel...or is the time such that it's up to me and I'll be correct both ways....?


    MB204893

    Jan. 20, '43
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    43 Willys MB 204893 DOD 1/20/43
    BT3-C Trailer S/N 7055

    Vice-President
    Berlin Airlift Historical Foundation
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  • would/could someone please post up a pick of the wire sheller, i am most interested in the detail of the top, and bottom hub area..thx..low

  • Kearney99 wrote:
    Ok, Now I'm confused.

    Am I to have a Green Sheller wheel or an OD Metal Spoked wheel...or is the time such that it's up to me and I'll be correct both ways....?


    MB204893  Jan. 20, '43

 

  • To my knowledge, by Jan 43 the standard steering wheel would be the metal spoked kind .
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    45 Bantam T-3 #57248 1-10-45
    42 Willys MB-T #13560 11-42
    43 Willys MB-T # 25417 4-43